The Golden Compass Discussion Post 1

As part of the His Dark Materials Read-Along, Andrea at The Overstuffed Bookcase has posted some discussion questions for part 1 (Chapters 1-9) of The Golden Compass.  My thoughts on them are somewhat rambling, but hopefully are at least a little interesting!

1.  In Lyra’s world, humans have dæmons, little creatures that take animal forms, who are connected to the humans in certain ways.  The dæmons are kind of like an extension of the human.  They can detect each other’s feelings, and when one gets hurt, the other feels it as well.  Do you think that these creatures serve a purpose in this world, other than companionship?  And would you want a dæmon of your own?  The dæmons apparently stay in one form once their human is past a certain age.  What form do you think your dæmon would take once you became of age?

2.  There is a lot of controversy surrounding the His Dark Materials series.  Have you seen any kind of controversial subjects thus far in the book?  If so, what are they?

3.  In Part One of The Golden Compass, we learn so much about this world and the plot of the novel, and yet somehow there are already several plot twists.  Did you anticipate any of the plot twists?  Or did they all take you by complete surprise?

1.  [Minor spoiler (as in, some other people may have already understood this from the first nine chapters)]

I last read this series several years ago, so I am uncertain how clear my impressions of it still are.  I think, however, that daemons are externally manifested souls.  So basically the interesting questions are: Why does Pullman want souls to be visible in this world? And is this better or worse than an internal soul?

Companionship is probably a great part of the daemon’s existence. Daemons have enough of their own personalities to be interesting company, but are tied enough to their humans’ thoughts and emotions to be pleasant company.  Their presence must be altogether comforting.

Daemons also can help connect humans.  Their forms should reveal something on sight about the person’s personality and soul, though it is hard to tell from the text whether the people in Lyra’s world have clearly defined categories of people based on daemons.  Are all people with snakes sneaky, for instance? Or does “snake” have multiple layers of meaning?  So far in the book, there are more questions than answers.

I would want a daemon of my own insofar that its existence implied that I do have a soul, though I like not having a daemon just fine.  An “internal” daemon seems to make one less vulnerable, which I think is the trade-off for not having the company of one.  So far I’ve had more luck thinking of animals I would not want mine to be.

2.  I think the series is very essentially and very obviously anti-religion, though it becomes clearer as the books progress.  This is not really surprising, however, as Pullman is an outspoken atheist.

At this point, we see that the characters who appear to be the bad guys are closely associated with the Church (you know, the ones kidnapping children and performing horrendous experiments on them).  This is not exactly complimentary.  There is also some scattered disdain—from the narrative voice and from characters like Lord Asriel—for the clergy, though it is minor.

So is this about Catholicism in particular?  I think so.  First, the hierarchical structure of the Church, with the pope, priests, etc. is very Catholic.  Next, there is a reference to the Inquisition—a Catholic event.  But most tellingly, the evil characters are a group called the Magisterium.  In our world, the Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Catholic Church.  That’s a pretty obvious parallel.

Personally, I think Pullman is entitled to his opinion about religion.  His treatment of Christian beliefs can be harsh and dismissive, and it makes sense if some Christians prefer to avoid his books.  Why read something you know you’re going to find insulting?  But I think it equally fine if Christians do want to read them.  If you believe Pullman is wrong and that God exists and organized religion is good, then reading His Dark Materials is not going to turn you into an atheist.  (Essentially I am saying I don’t think there is much “danger” here, though parents may want to discuss the books with young children, particularly The Amber Spyglass.)

3.  I wasn’t surprised this time around!  The first time I read the series, however, there were certainly a lot of unexpected twists.  The one including Mrs. Coulter and Lord Asriel stands out.  I think the series continues to offer a number of unexpected occurrences, which is one of its greatest achievements.

 

3 thoughts on “The Golden Compass Discussion Post 1

  1. Adriana Garcia (@BooksOnHerMind) says:

    Aha! So it is souls. That’s a good question… Maybe of our souls are visible people are more aware of how we are like Mrs. Coulter’s animals was cunning and kind of evil like her when she didn’t want to show it. It can also mean seeing our conscience out in the open we ourselves are more aware of how we are acting so we can adjust it… I don’t know. I probably make no sense 😛 I’m explaining more why you would have a soul next to you not why Pullman put them there and wanted to show you that…

    Doesn’t one of the good guys have a lizard as a daemon or am I thinking of someone else?

    I think I would rather take the risk. You always have someone to depend on and that’s there for you. It’s kind of nice. It’s like your best friend plus it’s a TALKING ANIMAL!!!

    Pullman is an atheist -__- Well he doesn’t seem to be horribly attacking the church. I mean he’s voicing his opinions on a level that is intelligent and not full on angry you are wrong way which I appreciate.

    I think parents shouldn’t have a problem with this book. Even Catholic parents. For me if I had a kid I would be okay with it because sometimes organized religion is just not the way and even though I am Catholic I know there are a lot of faults with the church but it doesn’t mean anything really because it’s all about belief. You don’t have to be in a religion to believe in God. I think he is talking about how in certain situations the church shouldn’t be involved with government issues but they are taking over and it is wrong.

    Yay more twists! ^__^

    Come check out my discussion answers: http://shesgotbooksonhermind.blogspot.com/2012/09/discussion-chapters-1-9-of-golden.html

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    • Briana says:

      Those are good observations about the daemons. I do think it could be nice to have someone so attuned to you and your beliefs as a best friend.

      I guess I was just asking in general what important things about souls Pullman might be trying to say by making external animals souls. I imagine, for example, he’s at least saying something about how our personalities become more fixed as we age, just as daemons stop shifting after puberty.

      I can’t remember if someone has a lizard. It’s been a few years since I read the books.

      I think in The Golden Compass Pullman is certainly more criticizing the Church than attacking it. And he is certainly not alone in disliking the hierarchy. He also seems to be imagining a world where the type of secular power the Church held around the Middle Ages has lasted practically into the present, which is interesting.

      His attacks against Christian ideas (as opposed to his critiques of Catholic Church structure and power) become far more obvious later in the series. There are some events in The Amber Spyglass I have particularly in mind, but I don’t want to spoil anything. I think the scene I’m referring to will be obvious when you read it, though. And it is this scene that I think some Christian parents might want to talk to their children about because some children (not all) could reasonably be upset by it.

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